tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post6686313662695696755..comments2023-06-21T10:52:34.013-04:00Comments on Jeremy Rosen's Blog: Love HurtsAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17043970242427877089noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-88273102700520040792010-08-08T18:22:54.146-04:002010-08-08T18:22:54.146-04:00Rob, I wasn't actually referring to the Holoc...Rob, I wasn't actually referring to the Holocaust, as the article was about love rather than hate and affiliation rather than neglect. I did not know that film makers "ignored the growing Nazi threat..." but I can understand that it took a long time (perhaps too long) before the atrocities were portrayed on the screen as so many who had survived were traumatized by the horrors they had witnessed or the the families they had lost during the war.Leilanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-75663209098767481902010-08-08T09:38:52.391-04:002010-08-08T09:38:52.391-04:00Anonymous:
Well, the Hays Code fell into disuse i...Anonymous:<br /><br />Well, the Hays Code fell into disuse in the 1950s, and things have indeed gotten worse and worse since. <br /><br />And the meanings of the ratings has changed dramatically. When I was a child, my parents took me to all kinds of movies, including many R-rated movies. I do not think that was the right choice, but the R-rated movies of that day are nothing like the R-rated of today.<br /><br />I watched a 1951 movie version of "The End of the Affair", a Graham Greene novel with a strong Catholic theme, in spite of dealing with an adulterous relationship. Then later I saw that there had been a remake in 1999, so I decided to watch it, to compare, even though it was rated R. I was absolutely gobsmacked to see complete simulated sex acts, with partial nudity (man's rear, woman's breasts).<br /><br />So clearly standards have changed, and when light movies are supposed to be an escape or diversion anyway, I appreciate modesty and an uplifting ending. And if a movie is more serious and supposed to make you think and deal with philosophical or moral issues, I still don't need to see other people's private parts and fake orgasms. :-)sshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03463216380054384880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-72841205240907285112010-08-08T08:51:41.447-04:002010-08-08T08:51:41.447-04:00I rather prefer comedies about love and relationsh...I rather prefer comedies about love and relationship. Since Hollywood started with too much sex in lots of films I am less interested in serious films about relationships. They show too much nudity that should be kept private. What has it to do with Catholic or Jews? We are supposed to be modest. I thought the catholic even forbid relationships as they are shown in films leave alone showing naked bodies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-25996965019673531102010-08-07T06:26:43.578-04:002010-08-07T06:26:43.578-04:00Leila,
"but they always supported Jewish cau...Leila,<br /><br />"but they always supported Jewish causes" ...<br /><br />Documentary Examines How Hollywood Ignored Holocaust<br />By ROGER CATLIN; Courant TV Critic | April 5, 2005<br />Because films that in recent years have tackled the Holocaust have been high-profile award winners, from "Sophie's Choice" and "Schindler's List" to "The Pianist," it may seem that film is a medium that's best kept the memory of the Nazi extermination of the Jews. But an important new TV documentary shows how Hollywood ignored the growing Nazi threat and was slow to criticize its leaders, in part because 10 percent of movie grosses came from Germany. Even after major Hollywood moguls were invited to the liberated concentration camps, little of the Holocaust was reflected in movies, according to the exhaustive and enlightening "Imaginary Witness: Hollywood and the Holocaust"Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16062180895899998738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-119567877631576742010-08-06T19:27:03.979-04:002010-08-06T19:27:03.979-04:00Leila,
Yes, the Hays Code is usually referenced w...Leila,<br /><br />Yes, the Hays Code is usually referenced with respect to the fact that "one foot must remain on the floor" during a love scene (among other precautions). But there really was a lot more to it than that, and it is interesting to think how much these Catholic notions shaped the thinking of Americans growing up with the movies of the 40's and 50's. :-)<br /><br />Shabbat Shalom.sshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03463216380054384880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-12837723894097324442010-08-06T18:15:37.061-04:002010-08-06T18:15:37.061-04:00ss, Thank you so much for the information about th...ss, Thank you so much for the information about the Hays Code which I had never heard of but have now looked up. Isn't it wonderful to be able to blame the Catholics? - just joking.<br /><br />Gut Shabbos.Leilanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-52190752175589543952010-08-06T16:00:40.658-04:002010-08-06T16:00:40.658-04:00Leila & Rob,
It is hard for me to relate to t...Leila & Rob,<br /><br />It is hard for me to relate to this idea of mistaking regular men for the characters in movies. But if it is happy endings that cause the problem, we shouldn't be blaming Jews, but Catholics. After all, the Hays Code was specifically designed to support Catholic values, which included a clear-cut good vs evil, with good always winning out in the end.<br /><br />Personally, I like that kind of thing, because it gives me a feeling of hope and optimism (but I am American, not British). Also, it hearkens to the whole messianic ideal.<br /><br />Gut Shabbos,<br />sssshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03463216380054384880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-23982994704803608732010-08-06T15:55:13.974-04:002010-08-06T15:55:13.974-04:00Rob, I don't think the Hollywood moghuls made ...Rob, I don't think the Hollywood moghuls made movies with the intent of selling them only to gentiles - and I don't for one moment think there was anything deliberately subversive about what they did. You're right, for the most part they forgot their religious lives but they always supported Jewish causes and never denied their heritage.<br /><br />They led us down the path of happy endings and we all followed willingly both goyim and yidden our brains sodden with dreams.Leilanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-50405467098229041912010-08-06T13:13:12.319-04:002010-08-06T13:13:12.319-04:00Rob:
Ah, beautiful. Thanks for reminding me of the...Rob:<br />Ah, beautiful. Thanks for reminding me of the source, I'd forgotten.<br />JRabbi Jeremy Rosenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12723608669485173271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-68138628974936776352010-08-06T11:13:35.251-04:002010-08-06T11:13:35.251-04:00Might be Chaim Yossel the honig kvetcher, Jeremy, ...Might be Chaim Yossel the honig kvetcher, Jeremy, or Mary had a little lamb.<br /><br />Sorry, I have to plead ignorance on that one.<br /><br />Good Shabbos. (I'm in Yiddish mode today)Leilanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-62129646850634725282010-08-06T10:24:17.425-04:002010-08-06T10:24:17.425-04:00Leila, you said: "Hollywood has a lot to answ...Leila, you said: "Hollywood has a lot to answer for."<br /><br />And who had the biggest influence in creating Hollywood? Exactly !<br /><br />What happened to all their Jewish heritage? Was it considered ok to sell treif notions to the gentiles? <br /><br />The law of unintended consequences as their fellow Jews became just as messed up as the goyim because of the "Hollywood" effect.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16062180895899998738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-45446200817970428422010-08-06T09:27:47.456-04:002010-08-06T09:27:47.456-04:00Thank you G! As I learnt in Eng Lit. the Wife of B...Thank you G! As I learnt in Eng Lit. the Wife of Bath said 'Amor Vincit Omnia,' if only!Rabbi Jeremy Rosenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12723608669485173271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-79844333061416506882010-08-06T09:27:18.514-04:002010-08-06T09:27:18.514-04:00Leila:
I have forgotten who said it but 'where...Leila:<br />I have forgotten who said it but 'where the heart wishes to to go, the mind is sure to follow'!Rabbi Jeremy Rosenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12723608669485173271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-75214994073239935422010-08-06T05:51:10.276-04:002010-08-06T05:51:10.276-04:00Wow Jeremy. This is very powerful stuff.Wow Jeremy. This is very powerful stuff.geoffreypnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-82799845735890335402010-08-06T02:37:04.137-04:002010-08-06T02:37:04.137-04:00Hollywood has a lot to answer for. My generation ...Hollywood has a lot to answer for. My generation was brought up on its notion of romantic love which was about as far from reality as it is possible to go. The girls were all searching for a Gregory Peck or Marlon Brando and the men for Marilyn Monroe or Ava Gardener. Who was to know that a Toulouse Lautrec or Molly Picon lookalike might be just as loveable?<br /><br />My late husband, of blessed memory, always said that in his case it was love at first bite, the bite being of my mother's strudel without which I doubt I should have found a husband at all!<br /><br />Most of the poets and philosophers covered all aspects of love but I think my favourite is Browning's<br />"Where my heart lies, let my brain lie also."Leilanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-34767620273423709902010-08-05T21:23:38.683-04:002010-08-05T21:23:38.683-04:00Shakespeare seems to have distrusted youthful pass...Shakespeare seems to have distrusted youthful passion in matters of the heart. He said something very similar in Romeo & Juliet, via Friar Laurence:<br /><br />"These violent delights have violent ends<br />And in their triumph die, like fire and powder,<br />Which as they kiss consume: the sweetest honey<br />Is loathsome in his own deliciousness<br />And in the taste confounds the appetite:<br />Therefore love moderately; long love doth so;<br />Too swift arrives as tardy as too slow."<br /><br />Shabbat shalom.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16062180895899998738noreply@blogger.com