tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post2269082854896295741..comments2023-06-21T10:52:34.013-04:00Comments on Jeremy Rosen's Blog: Human ApesAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17043970242427877089noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-87571742169674269642011-08-19T12:56:13.951-04:002011-08-19T12:56:13.951-04:00I agree with you that their are bad practices and ...I agree with you that their are bad practices and cruelty in slaughter houses. It does not mean it has to be completely abolished and people depending on meat have to die. What should be changed is the actual practice and how animals are also kept and treated beforehand. Jewish law forbids cruelty to animals. I heard it seems to be a big issue even on Jewish farms and slaughter houses in particular in the US where people demand too much meat. Cutting it down would be a good idea. It might be easier to keep the animals at least in good condition if there were not too many. I have not met a Jewish family in the UK that eats every day meat. If at all then on Shabbat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-13829988992268266382011-08-17T21:59:09.520-04:002011-08-17T21:59:09.520-04:00bananabrain:
So THAT explains your nomme de plume ...bananabrain:<br />So THAT explains your nomme de plume ( or rather nomme de musique)<br />JRabbi Jeremy Rosenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12723608669485173271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-69642418540052005122011-08-17T10:04:00.380-04:002011-08-17T10:04:00.380-04:00just to say: we may share 99% of our dna with chim...just to say: we may share 99% of our dna with chimps and over 90% with rats, but we also share about 66% of it with the humble banana.<br /><br />just saying.<br /><br />b'shalom<br /><br />bananabrainbananabrainhttp://www.spittoon.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-20915332699340140872011-08-17T09:14:51.310-04:002011-08-17T09:14:51.310-04:00Dear Sabine:
Why would I ever equate a foetus with...Dear Sabine:<br />Why would I ever equate a foetus with a viable living being when Halacha does not? I dont approve of needless abortion but until the foetus exits the womb it is not regarded as the same as a living being. And if a person needs meat medically or otherwise and no effective equivalent is available, that should be his own choice or his doctor's. But I am nevertheless deeply concerned at the cruelty I have witnessed at all different types of slaughterhouses.Rabbi Jeremy Rosenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12723608669485173271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-25777458221932430312011-08-16T13:15:11.832-04:002011-08-16T13:15:11.832-04:00I forgot to say. You said you improve if the gover...I forgot to say. You said you improve if the government does not allow any slaugher of animals. That is why I said it is like sentencing me to death because I need red meat. It depends which part and what kind of meat you eat. Lean meat supposed belong into every diet. Too much of anything is not good. I even heard too much of citrus fruit is not good either. Eat everything in the right propotion.<br />I forgot to write my name under the previous comment.<br /><br />SabineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-58133244452311162982011-08-16T13:08:30.982-04:002011-08-16T13:08:30.982-04:00You said an embryo is a person. That is not true. ...You said an embryo is a person. That is not true. I am not an expert either but informed myself several times and even BBC showed what embryos look like. They are egg cells and nothing more. I heard now that the UK unlike Germany allows 24 weeks which is supposed to be changed as baby can potential survive when given birth after 24 weeks.<br />OK, I misunderstood then. I thought you meant you disapprove of women having abortion no matter what the circumstances. There a lot of difficult situations today and one has to take that in consideration. You can't compare with the past. We live pretty much all as individuals and less together like a family or supporting community.<br />Pork is not red meat. No doctor would ever demand to eat it. But under the circumstances I lived before in I had to get beef or lamb from a non-kosher butcher as there is none in Germany. Duck and venison is also red meat but even from non-kosher butcher it is very expensive. I have never heard or saw that a shochet would catch a deer and shecht it according to the Jewish law. The catching would be already very hard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-66631975248530362332011-08-13T22:07:20.010-04:002011-08-13T22:07:20.010-04:00Sabine:
I do not pretend to be an expert in medici...Sabine:<br />I do not pretend to be an expert in medicine and I write only from my own personal experience and I ( and indeed my siblings) feel much healthier avoiding meat.<br />But perhaps you are unaware that according to Jewish law if you have a serious health problem you can even eat pork if a doctor says it is necessary so obviously I would not expect anyone who is required medically to eat meat , to endanger themselves by giving it up.<br />As for abortion, Jewish Law does not approve, unless a woman's life and health are seriously threatened. Please tell me where I said a woman hould have a baby regadless. I think you must have either misread or misunderstood.<br />JeremyRabbi Jeremy Rosenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12723608669485173271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-24401643648281894252011-08-13T22:06:12.246-04:002011-08-13T22:06:12.246-04:00dk:
No indeed I do not agree with Singer on most i...dk:<br />No indeed I do not agree with Singer on most issues. I only used him as a peg to hang a thought on, a point of view to contrast. To be fair he did put the issue firmly on the modern philosophical agenda. But I'm on youre side here!<br />JRabbi Jeremy Rosenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12723608669485173271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-4817925584722504942011-08-12T14:31:12.954-04:002011-08-12T14:31:12.954-04:00I did not see that comment about abortion. But fir...I did not see that comment about abortion. But first I must say that I am shocked how ignorant you are in scientific facts. I am sorry but we are omnivors not herbevors. I wanted to live kosher and in Germany there was no kosher meat so I lived vegetarian. I became extremely lethargic and when I had blood test my iron was low. I was told my every doctor including my mother who is a GP that I have to eat red meat and liver to keep up my iron level. I was stuffed with any red meat available then. In London I found kosher meat expensive and only ate it when I was invited. I also got anaemic again. I still struggle with my iron level and according to the doctors there is no alternative. The internet says we absorb more than 80% from red meat and liver and only 25% from plant products. I know some people can manage with vegetarian food only but not everybody. Telling me not to eat meat is like sentencing me to death. I can die of anaemia. If we have to kill animals then it should be done in the most painless way. I would also prefer that they also had a good life beforehand. Jewish slaughter is supposed to be like that. It requires a professional and strict suppervision and not a random person. <br />I am even more shocked that you order women to have a baby no matter what the situation. It is legal to get rid of an embryo up to 12 weeks not a baby that delevopes. An embryo is actually only fertilised egg cells, nothing more. It is cruel to the mother and the baby if she has to have it when the mother can't deal with it. Please inform yourself first.<br />I do understand and agree with you about other critism about cruelty, corrupt athorities and whatever you talked about in other posts as well.<br /><br />SabineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6141014.post-22208326718753430072011-08-12T11:44:56.911-04:002011-08-12T11:44:56.911-04:00Jeremy,
I can't believe you really support Pe...Jeremy,<br /><br />I can't believe you really support Peter Singer. You're OK with his argument for infanticide? It's a logical extension of his abortion argument, a fetus is not a person and a week old baby isn't either...<br /><br />For a sane and readable approach see this exchange between Peter Singer and Richard Posner,<br />http://www.utilitarian.net/singer/interviews-debates/200106--.htm<br /><br />I particularly like Posner's remark that, "It is because we are humans that we put humans first. If we were cats we would put cats first, regardless of what philosophers might tell us."<br /><br />Singer's Practical Ethics, (CUP 2008) is the only book I have ever lent and never regretted not getting back.dknoreply@blogger.com